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I have somewhat adopted this page now and will focus on getting more terms on the list. I'll start with focusing on those terms which are commonly missunderstood, but will stay away from those which have no agreed canonical meaning.

Edit: Upon closer consideration, I believe we should remove a bunch of the older terms that hold no special in-universe meaning. This is not a Dictionary and should not get filled up with the Glossary sections from military handbooks or science almanachs. If somebody wonders what exactly "Authorization" means, they can still look this up in the Ur-Wiki, right?


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Grow, my little fosterling by ZescZesc, 28 Jul 2021 22:32

Eschew elucidation, espouse obfuscation.

If this were urgent I would have tried to uplift this myself. Sadly I just got hit in my moral, as I sat down, wrote something and than wikidot messed up during saving and now I lost my motivation/work.

As a nice achievement name says: Embrace the Void.

This page has also stayed dormant for a long time, it probably will still be here when we come around to it.

EDIT: My stuff turned up. Not sure where it was yesterday, I reloaded the page a few times and it was not there, but it seems to be a good omen for this page.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Jul 2021 20:51

There is no need to rush. I just saw that you were not on the list. I just thought back to how I went about it. I had an author page ready to go before I had enough on the wiki to warrant it.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Jul 2021 20:47

It's, uh… complicated. I have plans, but at the time, this is not my top priority.
Why is it important to happen in the near future? I rather want a proper one than a rushed Hi, this is my author page. I wrote this stuff: [[module ListPages author="."]]


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by ZescZesc, 26 Jul 2021 20:16

The parent page is only important for the breadcrumb navigation, e.g. this small thing underneath the page title that reads

Directory » IAO Team Hub

You can also use them for some ListPages shennenigans, but this is the main purpose.

Backlinks is one of the options at the bottom of the page; it shows you all other pages (on the wiki?) that link to it.

I have nothing against eventual overhaul, but I wonder if the wiki has currently enough lifeblood to effectively support this kind of project.


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by ZescZesc, 26 Jul 2021 20:11

@Zesc: Do you want to make an author page in the near future? While I was tagging I noticed your absence from the list. You do meet the requirements.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Jul 2021 17:27

There I was, tagging pages as "interactive", when I came to the moving shadows hub and hesitated. I want others that might fell inspired to feel free to add to it, while still maintaining directional priority.

The best comparison for my case comes from indi-gaming, when the creator of a series says: "Do fan-games. Just don't make me adhere to fan-additions." I still want to write more "moving shadows" as a series, but I do want to open up the concept for others.

Since this page implicitly defines a canon in the "You want to build a series" portion ("Unlike a Canon, you can create a Series by yourself.") this seems to be the appropriate place to ask.

Also, no, this is not a case of "Someone should want to write my story for me." A similar problem came up when I asked about sectors-and-steel a while back. As more series come up in the future such a system would be a nice-to-have. Also we could say everything not tagged as part of a series is just a general part of the CI-Universe and you can use as much or as little of the general pool as needed for your series/canon.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

parent page
backlinks

I am not familiar with the concepts (as implemented by wikidot). I dug this one up through the "hub" tag.

I suggest we overhaul this, before we shove it into the spotlight. As Cad said two years ago, this has not been touched in ages. It would usually qualify as legacy at this point, but I think the idea is to valuable to just coat it in plastic and put it on a pedestal as a museum exhibit.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Jul 2021 16:36

I have never even seen this page before.
The Directory is given as its parent page for breadcrumb navigation, yet I fail to find a link there. Actually, this page's backlinks are entirely blank.

Hard to participate in a project that is tucked away somewhere out of sight. I suggest we do something about it.


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by ZescZesc, 26 Jul 2021 10:45

Yes this thing is still active and now tagged as such.

This could also get on the list of things to be done after the tag overhaul.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Jul 2021 10:14

After going through some pages to add the "interactive" tag (there is a difference to "collaboration" in that this is not just written by more than one author, but that you can still add to it even now) I noticed that this was originally going through a repair by Miranda, that seems to have gotten nowhere.

Should we go on and repair this now or should we let it be for now?


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

What to do? by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Jul 2021 10:10

I reverted an edit that was removing a single cell from the second auction report from a non-author user.


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by ZescZesc, 24 Jul 2021 19:58
  1. Well, since you're the penultimate authority here in the wiki, nobody but Cad could deny you this right, and I don't see why that would happen.
  2. Whilst I don't like the associations I get from "interactive" (reminds me more of a webpage that implements a CYOA or a puzzle or something), I must admit I can't think of a better name right now. Go ahead.
  3. So… I can open the edit box of the main page here in the wiki (I didn't changed anything since I'm afraid to break stuff), but not in the sandbox (where I'm not a moderator), so I assume 'admin' limits to staff in general?
    However, it mustn't be a system tag, as it is possible to have certain tags affect articles like a namespace, if I'm not mistake. (I remember that the SCP wiki used this to hide the ratings of contest entries until it was over once.)
  4. I missunderstood the tag here. 'contest' is for the hubs of the respective contests, whereas the individual tags are for their submissions. I'll update the Tag Guide accordingly.

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Re: Nitpicking on Article Types by ZescZesc, 22 Jul 2021 10:30

series
Do I and "Moving-Shadows" get a tag too? Seems like that is necessary if other series have one.

interactive
Should I go and implement this one? Could be useful to have all pages you can today still add to.

admin
This might actually be a "System Tag". If I recall correctly non-admins can not edit pages with that tag. Could you go and confirm this for me? I believe that I ran into a "You can not edit this. You are not an admin." pop-up once before. Not sure if it was the tag that triggered it.

contest
I do believe we need both. One signalling that the article was produced under a specific rule-set and one to specify the rule-set. I don't know all contest names offhand and if you only see the name of the contest you would not make the connection that it is a contest, I believe.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

As it stands now I don't see a reason ether, but than Miranda usually did not make pages for no reason. I believe it had something to do with trying out different designs.


Fighting Monsters and Language since 2016.

I went ahead and axed euthanized both 'incident' and 'pathogen'. (Sporal Contagion got 'biohazard' in exchange.)

Since Tag-Tagging is becoming a thing, I also took the freedom to add the following categories. I think they make reading the Guide easier.

GoI

Self-explaining, I guess. Mostly to indicate that these tags are given to all articles, regardless of whether they're Items, Tales, etc.

PoI

Same as above. Oh yeah, I added 'white-empress' to the list, we forgot that one.

Series

Denotes tags of series (i.e. Sectors and Steal & Aleph 11 Tango).

Could we hide the 'admin' tag by making it '_admin'? It should technically be possible, but I don't see any of the others wikis doing that, so they probably have a reason?

Also, to tuck even more to discuss into thus: I don't like the way Contest submissions are currently handled, using both 'contest' and their respective tags. Do we need the former?


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Re: Nitpicking on Article Types by ZescZesc, 21 Jul 2021 12:17

This appears to me to be an empty duplicate of the Persons of Interest page. The history isn't containing anything that isn't on the other page either.

If nobody can find a reason for this page, I'll consider an official staff post for deletion.


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Do we need this page? by ZescZesc, 21 Jul 2021 12:16

I believe that only "Eternal Selach" is mis-tagged and than it resolves like this:

supplement
Direct addition to a given item. Might as well could have been an addendum of the actual article, but is not strictly necessary for the actual item to make sense. Might be "interactive" or written by another author from the attached item.

transcript
The process of writing down a series of events in order. It does not need to involve an item at all. It also needs only one party talking (contrast to interview).

Interview
Involving multiple items, not directly attachable to a single article.
I agree that interview should be absorbed by transcript.

log
Logs are not bound to a transcript (event) or interview (conversation) format. They actually compile a list of things of similar nature. Perhaps the tag name must be changed, but "list-of-similar-things" is not a tag I would push. I would keep log as an entity since it is useful to have a tag that combines things in "list of things" format.

Incident
It might be a tag in the future, but for now I agree that it should be absorbed by transcript.
Perhaps it can be used on certain tales to form a tag of item deployment or Insurgency operation. Possible candidates would be "When The River Mayas Flee" and "Teal Is My Favorite Color". Perhaps we would need to go through all tales to see which tale might also be eligible, if we want to go in that direction and not simply remove the tag. (This would re-open the "Tale-Tagging Discussion".)

Also remind me to implement the Meta:Interactive tag and update this page after the mergers.

A pathogen is a biohazard and we only have one, so I agree with the absorption. Should we get more pathogens in the futur the tag could be reactivated then if necessary.

Also @Cad:
I guess you don't like the implication, but admin is a Meta tag as it relates to the real wiki and not the in-universe Administration. Should I add a disclaimer to the Tag-Guide for what the start of "Meta:" in a tags description means? In this thread it was called Tag Tagging and "Meta" is a Tag for Tags that implies that it is not part of the usual in-universe description of an article.


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I'm still working on the flowchart (which is actually becoming more a questionaire of sorts) and it gives me some new perspective on the tags, and their hirarchy, implications and mutual dependencies.

One thing in particular is something I noticed whilst writing the intial question: "What type of article did you wrote?"

If I glanced this correctly, there are 11 types of articles:

  • author
  • guide
  • hub
  • tale
  • person-of-interest
  • item
  • log
  • incident
  • supplement
  • interview
  • transcript

Now, I have no issue with the first half of the list, but the last 5 (in italics) appear to me somewhat wonky.
Isn't an "Interview Log" a transcript thereof… which may act as supplement to a given article?
I, for one, see no issue in fusing these into one, especially given that interview and incident only have one article going for each of them, and there is large overlap between log and supplement.

Now that we're already here: would anyone miss pathogen? It's entirely contained within biohazard already.


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Nitpicking on Article Types by ZescZesc, 19 Jul 2021 18:59
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