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Re: Roleplaying

Meta Wonderrat 19 Jan 2023 18:28
in discussion Wiki Announcements and Proposals / Policy Discussion/Proposals » Rules

Let me do this in list form so we can agree and disagree on certain parts with better pointers:

Argument list

1. A useful tool. When someone is stuck outside of reality entering there reality can bring them back to common reality. If reality s lonely, some people escape. If you make reality less lonely a return is possible.
2. The reality of man. Humans have enforced their fiction upon reality in the past, from the brick house to religion. Not using this power is wasting potential.
3. Building a Myth. We build modern fantasy (horror if I can manage it) The reason I was able to write as many stories as I did is by ankering them in reality, including real site-history. The Insurgency and Insurgency wiki crossover is something I will continue to push.
4. Lies so good we want them to be real. If people wish to life the Insurgency we made compelling fiction. Almost all fandoms have these people. It means the system is working.
5. Author-Fan divide. As an author we have certain responsibilities, but keeping all our fans in line was never one of them. Saying authors are responsible for their fans interpretation of their work is to close to "videogames cause violence" hysteria. Good media should change the audience and we can intend a direction, but we can not enforce it.
6. Augmented reality. Being someone else online is just a nature of the medium. I do not believe you would recognize me if we walked past each other on the street. Meta the character is removed from meta the admin which itself is removed from the man on a keyboard. As you said, we all were masks.
7. The better delusion. If we do not catch them who else will? I much prefer people roll-playing CI than what ever happens on 8chan or in religious cults. If people want to fight against oppression and for freedom of information, more power (and mindfuel) to them.
8. Paper Paint analogy. Your "everything real" approach sounds boring. Just reality is a plain paper. With some color it improves, to much color the paper rips. No more paper to support it and the paint wont hold. Roll-play yes, but keep a grip on reality. (Fiction breaking reality? Other discussion threat maybe)
9. No one left behind. I still run with the Wintergreen Protocol. We can find a place for everyone within the Insurgency. There are some cases I need to consider as lost causes, but until than they would have to burn a lot of bridges and roll playing should not be such a bridge. (For public record, I would have not staid within the Insurgency in 2016 if it was not for my "on the edge" approach being accepted).
10. WMCWD. This is the real problem of Roll-playing "What my character would do". If people use roll play to justify being a dick to others. Luckily we have a rule on the books for that. Writing horror sometimes necessitates evil characters and using characters representing real people in horror stories is something everyone should be aware of before they make a character to represent them or talking to people that might just make up a character inspired by a real person. This discussion should be had outside of the rules thread.

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Zesc 17 Jan 2023 18:24
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » What scares humanity ?

Are the line breaks intentional? WikiDot implements automatic line-wrapping (like basically every software developed after the 80s) and the insertion of line feeds/carriage return is only required when starting new paragraphs. On displays with a different width than the authors, this looks very uneven.

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Roleplaying

Zesc 16 Jan 2023 08:31
in discussion Wiki Announcements and Proposals / Policy Discussion/Proposals » Rules

*sweeps the half-arsed attempt of the CSS policy under a rug*

Considering that the new CSU account may also be gone any moment soon, just some context for future reference:

+ Summary

There is a user who originally went by the name "Cat Spy Union" who pretends to be a collective of cats and somehow beliefs us to actually follow an approximate Insurgency hierarchy.

The original CSU account wrote a bunch of things that flopped and eventually had a break down after accusing us of bullying an entirely unrelated user in this thread and deleted their account subsequently.

Shortly thereafter, the user re-appeared under the new name "Union-Zero" and promised to behave this time around in an (not properly formatted) application to the wiki.

Ever since then, CSU has demonstrated immense enthusiasm for the site coupled with ignorance regarding our rules, wiki tech and etiquette which lead to incidents like accusing Cad of having made the Wiki using WikiDot (a substantiated, yet also completely superfluous observation of publicly known facts), a security "advisory" of highly questionable authority, repeatedly hijacking unrelated threads (for example asking how to use images under someone else's articles, instead of our Advice Forum (which is really ironic considering a user who joined around the same time frame revived that forgotten niche forum just a few days ago, demonstrating that we're not yet incomprehensible to newbies) and, most recently to day of writing, started arguing with a Moderator about our role playing rules after roleplaying in an unrelated and inactive thread.

Also they try to promote their own third-party google-hosted website with vehemence.

I personally believe CSU to be below our maturity standards and to have lied on their initial application.

If any of this is off, please correct me.

EDIT: They dared me in PMs to kick them if I really believe them to be immature as a follow up to this post. In which I literally mentioned that I believe exactly that. … Welp, they're free to re-apply any time.

This is funny, last time I checked Discord, Datura was in the process of getting us an RP channel there. Naturally, all our RP-related rules should prefixed with "barring the designated RP channels/threads".

Now, defining role-playing (isn't all social interaction just putting up a facade, because deep down we all feel like frail impostors unworthy of affection?) is as mentioned before in this thread not easy to get right. Substitutes for gestural/facial expression (vis supra) should be allowed, even though they technically involve you playing a role (I doubt you actually dropped a spoon there, Meta). And if you squint really hard, both our Mission Statement and the "slice of life" stuff I write under people's intro threads are RPing in a sense.

I think the problem is more with people actually pretending the in-universe Insurgency to be real. I doubt they actually believe it themselves, because accepting that an organization with as dire modus operandi as ours has an public web appearance like that with (with easily discernible operations as a creative fiction site at that) without being busted down by LEAs requires truly impressive mental gymnastics. I.e. if you in all seriousness believe the Insurgency to be real, I recommended psychological attention ASAP.
No, this is from people who either don't know when a joke becomes hazardous or children and adolescents who still haven't reached the ability to properly set boundaries to what is real and what not. (An ability that is woefully disconnected from age and more correlated with how much reality has slapped you into the the face yet.) Drawing comparisons to stuff like Momo, the Blue Whale Challenge and the public announcement that entire "You do not recognize the bodies in the water"-craze actually concerning parents, this is probably a healthy part of child development, just like Siren Head or, back in our days, Mr. Widemouth and Herobrine were. (Eeeks, this better not turn into an essay.)
However, these people are dangers to themselves and others, as the Slenderman Stabbing demonstrated, and I recommend delivering everyone that reality slap to the face when in need for it. Better we remove them from this place before they get worked up on fiction and stain our reputation or way worse.

Give people a warning shot, but after that, I recommend protective&corrective bans at staff discretion. Only let them back in once they have demonstrated to understand why what they did is dumb and frowned upon. This works equally well for trolls and people in need of guidance.

That should cover most of the RPing encountered around here (at least until people start playing Shadow Run campaigns in the comments — please don't do that). We should see how we can make the Wiki more obvious and undeniable fictional in the meantime; perhaps editing our site's description on WikiDot to read "collaborative fiction project" or something like that.

Also, this is directed at you, Meta: I don't like bringing topics from PMs into the forum, but I recall you being proud in your "walking the edge" approach. I consider that withholding people their prescribed reality slaps and only reinforcing children in their delusions. I beg you to stop.

BTW, I wrote this one in a hurry; it'll be subjected to some refining somewhen soon.

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Union-Zero 15 Jan 2023 23:56
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Fright Bomb

For what we are, none can see.

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Ah yes

Union-Zero 15 Jan 2023 23:37
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Mission Statement

Yeah I was thinking so. I’m not sure but I still truly feel this had styling to it? Oh well. This site needs to get refurbished very very soon.

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Re: Rules

Meta Wonderrat 15 Jan 2023 19:48
in discussion Wiki Announcements and Proposals / Policy Discussion/Proposals » Rules

Ready to resume.

Do we want to hammer roll-playing out now since there is once again (this time it is not me), discussion around that particular part of legislation.

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Re: Internal-Outreach

Union-Zero 15 Jan 2023 15:33
in discussion Wiki Announcements and Proposals / Policy Discussion/Proposals » Internal-Outreach

I have been chosen to enact such a project and yes, what message I will send them is the message you have stated above. I have read what this Internal Outreach project is about and now I wish we went back to the days when the water on table was still. It’s my thing to recruit others by it be in my Union or someone else’s. For now since we too need to grow, our recruitments will be held aside. The insurgency is our leader, for now. Until further notice this project is going to be executed for a long term process. Of course there’s a lot of people inactive, that’s why copy & paste is a thing. I will take the main message that you, meta, wanted posted to others and I will add a hint to it. So that our personnel get intrigued.

May it be successful and, if the original idea of getting others into our site is reconsidered, please tell me. I would love to be a part of that too (it’s my thing).

Good day chaps.

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Re: Is just me?

Meta Wonderrat 15 Jan 2023 12:22
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Mission Statement

The page source has not been touched since 2016, so you might mistake this page for another one? Maybe this one?

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Update

Union-Zero 15 Jan 2023 01:15
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Personnel Designations

There were many parts of the page that was missing. ie: the security officers - administrative command executives etc. I added to them so check is they fit the role and criteria.

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Is just me?

Union-Zero 14 Jan 2023 22:05
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Mission Statement

Didn’t there used to be a picture on this page? Wasn’t there more css styling?

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Union-Zero 14 Jan 2023 21:50
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Fright Bomb

Choose wisely, the clock ticks with silence. Only a matter of hours before one man will tell of this “incident”, another will exaggerate what has been said for their own leverage. Soon the deafening silence will take you, will you let the “kid(s)” break it or will you tear it? We wait, only for those who understand.

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Re: Any Thoughts?

Meta Wonderrat 14 Jan 2023 19:01
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Fright Bomb

Here are some pictures for you to consider.

Also what did I tell you about size and format? You used PNG and 1350*679. The image displayed on the site needs only 666*335. Please take the image down open it in your paint program of choice, select "save as" and than choose ".jpg". I believe that step alone should make the image a lot smaller (file size).

Also, nice picture and congratulations on your first "picture in article".

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Union-Zero 14 Jan 2023 17:30
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Fright Bomb

Behind what none can see, a man lies in wait to send another to the depths of horror. Life is is something, something only the faithful human will see. Choose wisely, stand behind the photons of light or take those photons and make it your own. Only, never, if, why? Think, for what you are, not what you can. The world waits your appointment, take it, fight for it. Prestige and respect is what keeps them silent at night. Only the true men have what other envy, reality.

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Re: If you dont mind

Meta Wonderrat 14 Jan 2023 15:06
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Chat Guide

If you are online now we could chat over mibbit now.

Edit: I am offline again.

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Re: If you dont mind

Union-Zero 14 Jan 2023 14:45
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Chat Guide

Oh I see, it is outdated? Oh well thanks for telling me!

I mean the rest of the site uses discord and most likely no one would post what time zone they are in, I guess maybe for another time eh? Also mittbit chat is very outdated so I see no reason to proceed.

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Ohhhh

Union-Zero 14 Jan 2023 14:02
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Demons Gate

Thanks!

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Meta Wonderrat 14 Jan 2023 12:09
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Demons Gate

Explanations

Image

After considering that color is not real, I think I might just let my image be bad in piece.

Stylistics

Blocks of non flammable stone that explode after no longer being in sunlight appear anomalous to me.
Item will be capitalized and double quotes removed. I can look at the "do" problem too, but even after that I might need someone not homophonic confused to look the file over.
Sadly if I move the item back where it is in the sandbox something funky happens that makes it look worse. I implemented it now just to show you what I mean.

Content

Do you remember when I made a big deal out of CI-History recently? This file is basically a way to codify that the Foundation made the Insurgency, faked the loss of control over it in 1924 and than really lost control over it in 1948, when a few people that were not informed that they secretly worked for the Foundation overthrow the few people that knew. That is what the file refers to as the "Split of 48". In 48 the Chaos Insurgency stole back what the Insurgency willingly had given up.
The full gate is no longer in use. When you shell a building it no longer exists afterwards. That was my explanation why the only picture we have of it is 121 years old. Today the gate looks like a pile of rocks, with the biggest chunks still in Foundation possession (It is hard to steal boulders). Also you try finding a 0,5 gram rock in 12600 square meters (The CI would have tried, but unless there are no lose rocks, which after an explosion is unluckily the CI can not do it. The Foundation can somehow.)

This can be observed before the results of the energy release is applied to its surroundings.

Demons Gate actually vanishes before the energy release so its movement direction is not dependent on it.

Interpretation

The Foundation was in charge, from 1924 to 1945. You are correct in assuming the Gate to be a transportation device.

You flatter me, in assuming that I had a hand in operations back in 1919. 25 years before the Insurgency was even founded.

If Demons Gate sticks I already have plans for a tale about it, that may answer some of your questions.

Also, thank you in assuming that everything that went wrong in 2016 was my doing. I will not confirm or deny my involvement in where those files have gone, if they still exist. I just call it a bit of continuity. Also, why do you think RedSummer was involved?

I find it strange that you did not mention that

• one site of WW1 and both sites of WW2 were allied with organizations that had access to feasible nuclear fusion
• all throughout the war both sites never pulled the trigger on something they might have charged for a few weeks

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Re: Also

Meta Wonderrat 14 Jan 2023 11:03
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Demons Gate

Under your page is an option to upload files "Edit tags Discuss() Files Print Site tools +Options".
There you can upload an image. Make sure you use .jpg with a reasonable image size (for articles I recommend 600*400 or smaller ), as file-size actually does matter.

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Re: Oh well

Meta Wonderrat 14 Jan 2023 10:57
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Fright Bomb

Yes, the contest is now. Also, how does your item fit into the contest? We are supposed to use stuff that got into the public domain recently.

You can send me PMs if you want.

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Re: If you dont mind

Baronjoe 14 Jan 2023 02:41
in discussion Per Page Discussions / Per page discussions » Chat Guide

No. That is something for other users to decide for themselves. We also no longer use the chat.

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